Mother Nature plays spoilsport
The heavy rains spoiled the debut of defending champions Don Bosco College yesterday, cutting short the match between DBC A(?) and Bright.
Hopefully, it will be a sunny Sunday.
P.S.
It will be interesting to note, how DBC divided its teams for the U12.
Ronaldo said:a P10 team playing in the P12 division last year is further proof that you have no idea what football development is all about. all you provided the P10 division was the Aboitiz Festival and nothing else. again, if you can’t form a competitive team, why scratch the entire division ? why let the other teams suffer ? the absence of a P10 tournament last year also received a lot of complaints, but all you guys did was do nothing. that’s the CebuFA solution – let them play in older divisions ?
Youre a joke ronaldo. The real reason why your p10 played in the p12 is that your coaches wanted them to. You dont place the blame on CEBUFA for that in fact it is the complaint of CEBUFA in one of their meetings why players this young are included in the line-up. It was emphasized by maximo, according to our coach, that the parents should be informed with regards to what age group their children are participating in. And it was given more emphasis with the submission of parents consent. The problem with you ” kon kamoy llamado ok lang kon kamoy dehado daghang kyawkyaw.”
Ronaldo said:kikster, i see no other explanation unless they give us one. would be great if they’ll simply say their reasons for scratching P14 rather than have us thinking or implying anything. i admit, i should have choosen better words.
no offense meant to the other P14 players and teams. this discussion is meant to provide ALL p14 teams and players a tournament of their own. just egging CebuFA and their rahrah boys for answers
What a complete turn around, ronaldo or youve chicken out because youre team is not competitive enough. Your statement may good for us smaller teams but what about, Hiroshi, Abellana, Springdale, Sacred Heart can you say that point blank?
take a long look at the line-ups of P12 teams last year and you will see players born 1995 scattered all over the place. in fact, more than half of the city central team were born 1995. the reasons varied – some teams didn’t have enough 1993-1994 born players to coaches wanting to expose younger players for experience. the DBC P10 played in the tournament because there was no tournament for P10 other than the festival.
those are facts of the matter. what you bring to the discussion is “maximo empasized that there should be parental consent.” that’s all you have ? don’t you have a mind of your own or do you believe everything your coach or maximo tells you. no explanation on why P10 had no tournament for themselves ? don’t you know that the best way to develop and improve skills is to have more tournaments and not just festivals ? if you don’t, you sure have a shallow understanding of what player development is all about.
as for your second comment, it’s diificult to get your point. anyway, the teams’ ability to compete and how far the players has improved since last year will be gauged when we do have a P14 tournament, that’s the important thing. again, you/CebuFA continue to skirt the issue. why won’t you organize a P14 tournament ?
anything else coming from you aside confirmation of a P14 tournament means nothing.
Ronaldo said:take a long look at the line-ups of P12 teams last year and you will see players born 1995 scattered all over the place. in fact, more than half of the city central team were born 1995. the reasons varied – some teams didn’t have enough 1993-1994 born players to coaches wanting to expose younger players for experience. the DBC P10 played in the tournament because there was no tournament for P10 other than the festival.
If thats the case then its ok for players to play 2 years older than their age group. So whats the fuss? And do you expect U10 to play 11 a side because you said all they get is a festival type. Come on Ronaldo, you are contradicting yourself. in your previous posts way,way back you mentioned that 11 a side will start at U12 and up. Ano ba talaga, Kuya?
hehehehe, your ignorance sure is entertaining. i never suggested P10 should be 11 a side. better ask the guy dictating to you to clear up his facts first.
there’s a big difference between tournaments and festivals for the P10. in festivals, games are only 12-15 minutes long, while tournaments are 20-30 minute games stretched over several days. in tournaments, teams get to analyze their plays, what went wrong and what went right. they make the necessary adjustments and preparations, scout the next team they will play against, and apply everything on the next game. these are things you cannot do on festivals.
anyway, also ask the CebuFA guy dictating to you if the will organize a P14 tournament this season.
Ronald said: “if CebuFA proposes that P14 players play in P15, then that means displacing many P15 players just to accomodate their younger clubmates or schoolmates.”
Why should a good coach displace a 15 year old player in favor of a younger 14 or 13 year old player in his team? It doesnt make sense. Granting both the 15yr old and 14 or 13yr old have the same skill level, the coach would normally go a bigger, more mature player.
The correct move of the coach is to get all the 15 year olds he can recruit and if it still lack players, then consider the younger players (again, assuming that all players are of equal talent).
The reasoning Ronaldo gave is somewhat leading us to conclude that even though his son is only 13yrs old now, he can still bump off a 15yr old. Ang lakas mo siguro sa coach, ano. Sure ka na ba dyan?
Ronaldo, I think you will make a top coach (he-he-he). At U10 your thinking of tactics already! What a big joke! Mao diay daladala ka og white board. Wa gyod kabadlong si Coach Glen ninyo?
Now, judge me if Im wrong. Do you think a development program from other source will prosper in a situation like yours when at U10 your applying tactics already?
Pony Tail, Thats what Ronaldo will do. Bump off the older players in favor of younger players especially if he becomes the Team Manager. Malakas sa coach, eh.
hehehehe, oh well, go on skirting the issue. that’s what you are good at, bringing the discussion elsewhere and making outrageous comments so that your shortcomings won’t be focused on. again, please ask the CebuFA guy dictating to you if they will organize a P14 tournament. hehehehe.
Ronaldo said: “when that was announced during the coaches meeting at sideline, almost all of the coaches protested.”
Lets be fair to all. Please provide when and where this meeting was held. You are making so many sweeping statements, always putting down the CebuFA.
Its very clear all you do here in the blogspot is make CebuFA look bad. Pure and simple.
To the others, you can ask your respective coaches if there was a particular coaches meeting called by CebuFA where ALMOST ALL THE COACHES PROTESTED, as stated by Ronaldo. Then you will know who is telling the truth.
Ronaldo said: “eric, kamo ang walay klariks. if you can’t field a competitive team and you are afraid that you’ll get blown off then take it as a learning experience. don’t pull strings and deny over 150 players a tournament of their own just so that you won’t have to face these teams. most of these players came from P12 less than a year ago. are they supposed to play on an older bracket just so that they can play ? is that the cebuFA policy that you are proudly waving ?”
As what I understand, CebuFA is organizing a Boys-15 Cup as the qualifying event for next years 2007 PFF Regional Mens U-17 (Boys-16) Finals.
I dont think its all about field a competitive team or not and you get blown-off and pulling some strings.
Ronaldo said: “eric, kamo ang walay klariks. if you can’t field a competitive team and you are afraid that you’ll get blown off then take it as a learning experience. don’t pull strings and deny over 150 players a tournament of their own just so that you won’t have to face these teams. most of these players came from P12 less than a year ago. are they supposed to play on an older bracket just so that they can play ? is that the cebuFA policy that you are proudly waving ?”
As what I understand, CebuFA is organizing a Boys-15 Cup as the qualifying event for next years 2007 PFF Regional Mens U-17 (Boys-16) Finals.
I dont think its all about field a competitive team or not and you get blown-off and pulling some strings.
jack, it was that meeting when the P9 division was announced for players born 1995. it was then questioned if a new division will affect the other divisions. the effect would be bracketing of teams (no more round robins) thus lesser games for each team. that was at that point when many coaches commented that it would not be for the good of the majority, if a new experimental division will result in fewer games for the other teams in other divisions.
it was then announced that the CebuFA will reconsider the plan to have a P9 division until such time when the comments are considered. the meeting was adjourned with the understanding that the coaches will be notified if P9 will push thru.
on that meeting, CebuFA board members present were Maximo, Bretherton, Montesclaros, and Buot.
that’s the incident i am refering to wherein majority of the coaches objected to having fewer games. that incident had nothing to do with the P14 issue today but was brought up to highlight a point made on this thread concerning the lesser number of games the teams has been playing.
as far as this year’s P14 tournament is concerned, our coaches relayed the concern that there might be no P14 because earlier CebuFA announcements published in local papers did not contain a P14 tournament (this happened during the meeting before the Aboitiz Festival). a few days later, it appeared on the papers that there will be an Aboitiz P14 tournament. as a matter of fact, there is a thread in this blog wherein i praised CebuFA for holding a P14. a few weeks later, an announcement published in the papers stated several tournaments for age-groups but no P14 was mentioned. that’s the root of this discussion. basically, we asked if there will be a P14, it was announced that there will be one, then a latter announcement stated that there will be none. all that were in the local papers.
as far as the B15 (born 1991) is concerned, i have no problem with that since it is the qualifying for next year’s U17. so by 2007, the P15 boys will be turning 16, perfect for the U17 nationals. the discussion here concerns the absence of a P14 (born 1993-1994) tournament and nothing against the P15 tournament.
i asked only one single clarification – will there definitely be a P14 for this season. if none, due to financial constraints, then it should be announced as soon as possible since we still have enough time to organize one. i suggested teams paying registration fees to help defer the costs, but insisted an explanation on why P14 wasn’t considered for a tournament all their own. P14 or the midget division has been with us since i can remember.
that in a nutshell is the core of the discussion. everything else is immaterial. let’s focus on that.
jack, you say that all i do is put CebuFA in a badlight. what i do is pointout where mistakes may or may have occured and oftentimes propose either a solution or an alternate option. review all my criticms here on the blog and even elsewhere (pinoysoccer and philfootball), and you will read that if i do criticize, it is accommpanied by an explanation or a proposal on how it can be made better. the owner of this blog as well as the administrators of the other forums would have banned me a long time ago, like what they did to others who did nothing but make crazy statements, if all i did was criticize and nothing else. but they did not, and that suggests a lot.
other posters has been more unforgiving in their comments – saying things like boang, pangwartahay lang, etc. review my posts and you will never see me writing that these guys are thieves or retarded. i focus and comment on policies or the lack of it.
if you find my posts unworthy of this blog and does more harm than good to cebufootball then have Mike ban me from this site. Mike has done so with several posters and i won’t take it against him if he does so with me.
cheers.
oh by the way why dont you ask Neil Montesclaros if there is a U14 tournament. You belong in the same camp. Or you just dont have the face to do it.
the age-groups is maximo’s call. his previous announcements thru the papers was no. his latter announcements became yes. his last announcement was no. again, that’s all in the papers.
Ronaldo: “as far as the B15 (born 1991) is concerned, i have no problem with that since it is the qualifying for next year’s U17. so by 2007, the P15 boys will be turning 16, perfect for the U17 nationals.”
Ronaldo, again you are spreading wrong information here. There is NO National U17 tournament, never has been. Only up to a PFF regional level tourney for U17.
Please be responsible in your postings because it might create again another confusion.
To the others, you can always double-check his claims by directly contactting Phil Football Federation (PFF) since this is a PFF competition.
Double cheers
like i said, P15 is a non-issue. never has been, never will be. if U17 is up to only the regionals and there is no nationals then i stand corrected. but i don’t understand the logic behind having regional tournaments but no national finals. guess this is something PFF has to explain.
triple cheers.
This is getting very long already and nobody can categorically say that there is a sure tournament for Boys 14 (1992/1993)aside from the not-sure(or surely-dead) Red Ribbon Boys 14. Apparently, CebuFA is putting us in suspense and I think they will spring a pleasant surprise on this because I know that next year there will surely be a Boys 14 already (1993/1994 by then)
Roberto said: “Apparently, CebuFA is putting us in suspense and I think they will spring a pleasant surprise on this because I know that next year there will surely be a Boys 14 already (1993/1994 by then)”
No, I dont believe there will be a Boys-14 next year. But I respect your opinion. Here are the FACTS so far:
So far, CebuFA has been consistent as far as Boys-15 is concerned. Its a local qualifying event for next year’s PFF Regl Mens U-17 (Boys-16). Boys-15 players are the 15, 14, 13 year olds.
CebuFA had organized the 2005 Aboitiz Boys-15 (1991) Cup leading to 2006 PFF Regl Mens U-17 (Boys-16). Players aged 13-15 years old were eligible to participate
This year, CebuFA will start the 2006 Aboitiz Boys-15 (1992) Cup this Nov 18 Sat. as preparation for 2007 PFF Regl Mens U-17 (Boys-16).
For sure, CebuFA will have the 2007 Aboitiz Boys-15 (1993) Cup for 2008 PFF Regl Mens U-17 (Boys-16)
Then the 2008 Boys-15 (1994) > 2009 PFF Regl U-17
Then the 2009 Boys-15 (1995) > 2010 PFF Regl U-17
The list goes on and on…
Correction on B-15 cut-off year (turning 15 yrs old on competition year):
2005 Boys-15 is 1990
2006 Boys-15 is 1991
2007 Boys-15 is 1992
2008 Boys-15 is 1993
2009 Boys-15 is 1994
jack, basing on what you just posted, there is a three-year gap between P12 and B15. what we are contending is that there should be an “in-between” division after P12 and before B15 as there has always been.
that’s the way it has always been – P10 (mosquito), P12 (mini), B14 (midget), B15 (aspirants), then the U17 (juniors). B14, B15 and U17 (or B16) have 1 year gaps.
however, if we aren’t gonna have a B14 this year, that means players born over a three year span (1991, 1992, and 1993) will have just the B15 tournament to play on. the physical, mental and skills gap between the eldest players (1991) and the youngest (1993) is to big to justify them being lumped into just one group. one other thing, the 1991, 1992, and 1993 born players are practically 2 age groups.
there simply are too many players for just one age group, aside from the fact that they may be looking at just 4-5 full sided games per team if the usual bracketing of teams is applied.
smaller clubs/schools may not feel it because they may have lesser players, but the more established schools/clubs has separate B15 and B14 teams, perhaps with 3-4 players playing in both divisions. of course, one option they may take is to field 2 teams in the tournament, their regular B15 squad and their regular B14 squad (perhaps for exposure or for the experience). but then if CebuFA does allow or encourage regular B14 squads to participate, wouldn’t it be more logical if they’ll just have a tournament of their own ?
again, there is no problem or issue as far as the B15 tournament is concerned. the issue remains the absence of a B14 tournament.
Ronaldo said: smaller clubs/schools may not feel it because they may have lesser players, but the more established schools/clubs has separate B15 and B14 teams, perhaps with 3-4 players playing in both divisions. of course, one option they may take is to field 2 teams in the tournament, their regular B15 squad and their regular B14 squad (perhaps for exposure or for the experience). but then if CebuFA does allow or encourage regular B14 squads to participate, wouldn’t it be more logical if they’ll just have a tournament of their own ?
I hope youre not thinking of having a B14 tournament at this time. B15 is about to start and the more important tournament because its in the PFF calendar. Maybe B14 tournament can take a backseat at this time and wait until the right time comes. But if you insist on having B14 tournament at this time it is not logical because most of the clubs/school cant field line-ups competitive enough without sacrificing the other.
as long as there will be a b14 this season, the issue of when will it be isn’t a concern as of the moment. last season’s B14 started early 2006, so a similar start won’t be a problem.
what CebuFA must do right now would be to inform the B14 coaches that either there will be a tournament on the planning board or there will be none. that will also give the coaches time to consider their options, either to wait for the B14 tournament or to field their B14 teams in the B15 tournament. if there are financial or other problems that is keeping B14 on hold, then they simply have to let the teams know so that a solution could be formulated with the help of the teams involved.
Nacorda and Jack: We dont have to hold the Boys 14 and the Boys 15 tournaments at the same time because in most schools, there are some Boys 14 (1992-born) players that play together with the Boys 15(1991 players). Whats important is that there is a separate tournament for the Boys 14 so that the 1993-born players can participate and play in that tournament. Again, if we lump the 3 age groups in one bracket this year, and even next year (according to Jack), this will be discriminatory for the bigger schools like DBTC, Abellana, Springdale. They have a lot of 1993 and even 1992 who will only end up as substitutes, at most, if they are picked in the Boys 15 ( 1991) group.