its easy to come up with a plan… or a program for that matter (you can even copy it from others). its another thing to implement and take concrete action on it.

i told you so. wishful thinking na lang ta…

Question, if you were to choose only one, will you settle for those who do actions and no program (as alleged by a few) OR all programs (the blah blah blahs) and no action at all?

Nike: Just do it!!!
Bisdak: Maayo lang mo pagarpar da

oh well, that’s the reason why we will NEVER be able to compete against negros and iloilo – when our leaders and their rahrah boys think that what they are doing is more than enough, that we should thank them for they are cebufootball’s saviours, and we don’t need to plan ahead.

kung naay program, nganong wala man dyud na gipakita ?

Totot, ayaw na lang pag dahum anang uban diha. Mura na siya ug politiko, maayo lang sa “grandstanding”.

Mas motu-o pa ko nimo nga mabuhat na nimo. Lihuka dayon na. Ipakita nimo sa uban diha nga kama-o sad ka.

totot, let’s not mind the rah-rah boys. if they really mean to clarify things, they would have posted their program right away. they are telling you to do this and that but they are not giving you any assistance whatsoever except to blah blah blah that we should be satisfied with what we have.

anyway, here is what we have discussed so far, what we have agreed on, and what we have not yet resolved :

1. LEAGUE FORMAT

the basic format we have agreed on is already in place. CebuFA has adopted the league-type scoring method to determine the champion. the only proposed improvement in the current format is to make it a double round robin instead of the existing single round robin. we do however understand that financial constraints is the main reason behind this.

the two-division format currently in place is also the most practical for cebufootball. 8-10 teams per division is considered the most manageable number as of now. the system of relegation in place has also no objections. the only improvement proposed was that teams who are seeded in the first division due to their performance in the previous season should not be allowed to opt to play in the lower division even if they lost key players.

2. REGISTRATION FEES

last season, participating teams gave a refundable registration fee of php 2,000.00, to be returned after the tournament, and minus any penalties. the proposals we gathered concerning the registration fees are the following:

- the men’s league should be self-supporting. subsidies from CebuFA sponsors should go to the age-groups.
- registration fees should not be refundable. it should go to paying for the expenses of the tournament.

what we didn’t resolve was how the registration fee will be computed. would the teams equally pay for the expenses, or do we aggressively solicit for sponsors and let the teams equally pay for whatever deficit.

3. OFFICIATING

it was proposed that an “assesment seminar and refresher course” would be conducted before the start of the tournament. furthermore, a separate officiating refresher seminar for the coaches will be held. this is to insure that the coaches will be updated concerning FIFA and CebuFA officiating regulations.

it was also proposed that it be made into CebuFA policy that 3-4 referee’s will not be allowed to officiate for the entire game day.

4. LOGISTICS

prizes should be kept to a minimal considering that we are not financially stable. again, the need to be self-supporting is stressed.

5. GENERAL POLICIES

we need to implement the player registration data-base similar to Riscoh’s proposal. what we didn’t resolve was how to handle player transfers and other similar issues. however, these are details that are very easy to sort out once the major policies are implemented.

these, so far, is what we have discussed on how to further improve the men’s division. we have had a lot of proposals on sponsorship and logistics that were self-explanatory and didn’t get any serious contradictions so we will just leave it at that.

as you can see, the basics are already in place or are existing. as far as the men’s division is concerned, it is the logistical policies that we need to focus on.

when we say “we” in this proposal, we don’t just mean those involved in this proposal. “we” is cebufootball. we are not going anywhere if we don’t formulate the proper program – and the best program is of no use if we don’t follow it.

totot and manfred, we started this discussion to try to find ways to help improve the men’s division. we’ll just focus on that first and not dwell on implementation. this proposal is just for the men’s division. we’ll get to the age-groups and other policies latter. please make corrections on any summary that i might have misinterpreted.

after we have tackled all the sectors and issues – including age-groups, grassroots etc. – that would be the time when we can put it together as one whole program of development.

tot, this is a summary of all of the proposals that has been posted here in this blog. what i did was get bits and pieces from posters like manfred and riscoh and tried to put it as a whole. this is not just my proposal. some of the inputs were posted at philfootball.info and pinoysoccer.com. when i write “what we have discussed”, i am referring to the comments posted here, and not that we have personally met.

when you said on the other thread that you wanted to organize a league, i made this summary of the proposals as my means of support to your plan.

now, if you feel that you cannot organize a tournament as of this moment, then that’s not a problem. the proposals here are written to become policies, not a specific rule to any particular tournament. this is basically a guide on what to consider when planning a tournament and how to improve an existing one.

do not be afraid that people will not believe you. when you and manfred started thinking about the possibility of setting up a full-size league here, my advise was to make a program proposal first and if you plan to push thru with it, it has to be done in partnership with CebuFA. this summary is my contribution to your plan.

anyway, the summary is here already. feel free to use if you want.

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tot, please review your posts. ikaw man ang nangayo og suggestions regarding a men’s league. kamo ni manfred ang nag-discuss about coming up with a proposal and giving it to maximo. manfred even suggested that it be discussed at OAD. in fact, manfred had many refereeing and league structure proposals at the cebufootball forum already.

i just gave my proposals and the summary above came from other proposals posted in this blog. i never claimed that we discussed it in person. again, review all of the posts. everything was meant as a proposal to be given to CebuFA for their consumption. i already clarified that.

now, if you don’t want to spearhead anything then that’s alright. what i don’t understand from you now is why you are insisting that you didn’t make the statement that you wanted to start a league and wanted help. please don’t try to turn things around because what you said is in the other thread and could still be read there and also in the chatbox. that is why i wrote here that if medyo overwhelming kaayo ang scope sa trabaho then don’t think about implementation but just focus on the proposal, which was the intention in the first place.

i will continue identifying areas and/or policies in cebufootball that may need improvement and giving out proposals to achieve that. that’s the best many of us can do right now considering that we are not part of any policy-making process. this is where i can contribute to cebufootball. if you feel you have something worthwhile to propose then i encourage you to do so. identify a problem then give a proposed solution. don’t say one thing now and say another the next.

GRASSROOTS

Grassroots na pud ta coz i’m sure everyone agrees that this is the most important concern that has to be addressed.

First a definition – i consider grassroot football as kids as young as 5-6 years old being introduced to the game. furthermore, my idea of a grassroot program is one wherein it is accessible to the most number of children at the least possible cost for them.

i think our problem with grassroot football in cebu is that we don’t have any. don’t get me wrong, i have nothing against football academies and school-based football which also has 5-6 year olds playing the game. but my definition of grassroots doesn’t completely fit in that picture. i look more to grassroot football being community based.

as far as i know, cebufootball only has two established community-based football programs – San Roque Football Club and Hiroshi Football Club. the characteristics of a community-based program can be seen in both clubs – a football field basically accessible to the community, residents who grew up playing football, and former and present players taking the responsibility of training neighborhood kids the basics of the game.

we also have Inter-Cebu FC, which in my opinion is a football program intending to introduce football to where it hasn’t been played before. concept-wise, it is pretty similar to the MLSDF Carmen program.

the most significant attempt in a nationwide grassroot program was the Kasibulan. on paper, it had football being taught at public schools thru the Physical education program, with PE teachers supposed to act as trainors and with FA coaches tasked to oversee and assess development.

Kasibulan’s difficulties was an inadequate method of implementation. my opinion is that there was nothing in the form of professional upliftment on the part of the PE instructors that would have encourage them to seriously and aggresively implement the program. basically, they can’t get anything for themselves if they learn and teach football.

that is certainly a cold assessment but many coaches that i have talked with agree. to many of us former and present players, teaching football basics and expecting something in return is a no-no. but we have to face reality – coaching nowadays demands time, effort and just compensation. if we give that to our school or private coaches and PE trainors, we should do so with public school teachers.

DepED has a policy that could have been taken advantage of as a means of encouraging PE instructors to learn and teach football. you see, DepED teachers are required to take up additional courses and units if they want to get promoted to a higher-paying classification or position. that is why you see teachers taking up masteral courses so they could qualify for professional upliftment. however, some teachers who don’t have the time or the desire to go back to school can earn masteral points or units if they engage themselves or participate in certain DepED programs.

one of these programs are the sporting competitons, known as the district meets, the regional meets and the national meets. in our case, that is basically the city olympics, the CVIRAA and the Palarong Pambansa. a PE instructor or a teacher who participates in these events either as a coach, coordinator, referee, or as support staff gets a certain number of points that could be used as masteral points. if your team becomes champions in a local meet, your points doubles. much more if you reach the nationals or the Palaro.

unfortunately, the said system has not escaped abuse. the recent and past Palaro over-age scandals has been blamed on the desire of the coaches to win championships because it would mean a masteral classification for them, thus making them eligible for higher DepED rankings, promotions and salaries.

if we wish apply a Kasibulan-based concept as our grassroot program, we need to find a way to convince DepED to grant masteral points if a PE instructor includes football in his class. not just points if they compete, but points if it’s part of the curriculum. that way, we eliminate winning meets and participating in competitions as a criteria for earning masteral points. just by teaching football, a teacher can earn his masteral classification.

as far as turning this system into a community-based program, let me give out this picture first. if you walk away from the urban areas, you will notice that most public schools in the municipalities still has large playing grounds. by introducing football to these schools, and considering that most of these public schools allows the use of their facilities to the community, we would then be achieving two important characteristics of a community-based program – an accessible field and qualified personnel (the PE instructors) to teach the basics.

reality check – turning sports programs into community-based programs is equivalent to several giant leaps and will take a generation or two to achieve. but what we need to think right now is to plant the proper seed.

that’s it for now. i hope others can put in their thoughts.

totot, dili na problema. proposal ang akong tumong. parehas ra na nga tabang. lahi lang ta og approach og pamaagi.

the way i look at it, kung asa kuwang ang cebufootball og ang CebuFA, anha ta mo sulod. sa akong panan-aw, maglisod dyud ta og palambo sa cebufootball kung wala tay programa nga sundon. mao nang nangita ko og programa, apan naghatag pud ko og proposal sa mga problema aron naa pud tay maihatag as a solution to the problem.

unya ikaw joe, kinsa man pud kaha ka ? kung kontra-gusto ka nga naa tay programa nga sundon tungod kay kontento ka sa kamo-kamo ra, naay uban nga dili uyon ni-ana. ayaw luboga ang istorya kay hadlok ka nga mahimbawan sa uban nga walay programa. kung wala mi nagkasinabot ni totot, wala na magpasabot nga sayop ang rason sa among discussion.

Nothing happened,yet that I know of,regarding the age cheating of the Hiroshi Boys 14 in the last Mizuno and San Roque Festivals. The Mizuno organizers made a report on the parent vs. Bright student altercation (which does not even involve football} but none on the more relevant issue of cheating. How pathetic.

bai roberto, i actually got to ask one of the hiroshi coaches about that (not the actual coach of that particular player), and the reason he gave was that the player didn’t inform them he was overaged. the player reportedly assumed that since he was still to turn 15 later this year then that meant he was qualified for the division. thus it was the player’s fault and not the coach’s or the team’s.

oh well, i thought it was the coach’s responsibility to verify the players’ eligibility, and not the other way around.

Right Tot and the coach should have more knowledge about his players. From what I learned was there was more than oneover-aged player. There were 4 players who were above 14 if I remember right. It was actually one of the well-known C-licensed coach in Cebu who confirmed this because the boys were under him at one time. So there should be no excuse for the Hiroshi coach who did not know his players. Dont tell me the other coach knew his players better? Tell that to the marines, pre.

pasure oi wa man mo ayo